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Do you think the new Work Programme will work?

Last week the Government launched a new flagship Work Programme which it hopes will help ease unemployment issues and skill shortages. This replaced the previous programme which primarily engaged private subcontractors to help the longer term unemployed back to work. The new system shifts the focus by incentivising the subcontractors for placing someone in a ‘sustainable’ role. It is hoped that the ‘payment by results’ model, in essence not that dissimilar to the one that the contingency recruitment industry operates, will be more effective.

But will it work?

There have been some critics, primarily worried that the businesses delivering the service will focus on the people and areas where it will be easier to make longer term placements. The ‘reward by results’ approach has been successful in the private recruitment  sector, but does it always deliver the best results or experience to those who cannot easily be matched to vacancies?

Neil Lee, senior economist at Work Foundation said ‘as the Work Programme is based on payment by results, contractors carry the initial risk. There is therefore the danger that private contractors will focus on investing in places where they are more likely to get people into work to secure a return on investment

Writing in the Daily Telegraph, Jobs editor Louisa Peacock raises the fact that ‘Just one prime contractor delivering the Government’s flagship Work Programme is completely new to the welfare-to-work market’ questioning that if the others were unable to make previous schemes work, why should this new one be more successful. She also comments on the timeframes ‘we won’t know for sure whether the Work Programme is working until after at least two years as they will only get paid the full amount once their candidate has been in sustained employment for 24 months’.

Respected HR blog Change-Effect argued ‘There is no genuine, long-lasting value behind “job creation” schemes or incentives, they don’t lead to a step change in the labour market’ and called for ‘investment in the key market sectors that Britain can be strong in…invest in the knowledge economy, in creative industries, in R&D.’

As the CBI said in their latest reportThe answer is not bussing people to where the jobs are. We need to tackle the structural causes of unemployment’ – to have real, long term impact the new scheme needs to operate in tandem with a commitment to investment, re-training and growth in the sectors which will provide sustainable employment opportunities in the future.

It probably didn’t help the Minister who launched the new programme described it as ‘a giant employment dating agency’.

We’re keen to get the views of our clients and jobseekers. We know how crucial it is to get the employment market moving again so want to find out how you feel about the new scheme.

If you are a hiring company do you think this scheme will help give you access to the talent that you need?

If you’re a jobseeker who qualifies for help under this scheme, do you think that the shift in emphasis will help your search?

Let us know what you think.

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  • Raji

    In order for the Work Programme to work there needs to be a supply of jobs to fill the demand created by job seekers.  This will only happen if the economy recovers, posts are created and employers experience growth to invest, support, up skill and sustain workers.  The prime providers can support Job seekers to
    ·         maintain motivation,
    ·         navigate them around how to search for opportunities,
    ·         What to put in their CV to attract the employers attention,
    ·         Support them with interview techniques,
    ·         And put sanctions in place for those who don’t appear to want to work. 
    However, if there are no jobs, its support invested up front at risk.  This could lead to cost efficiency cuts within the Prime/Subprime organisations in order to make a ROI. Do we really think they can make it work without the factors which have caused high unemployment addressed!  It’s like taking a painkiller, without addressing what is causing the pain. When the pain killer wears off what next!!  A new scheme!!! 
     

    • Fish

      I’m looking at this from the point of view of having been out of work for two years.
      1. I have managed to maintain motivation all this time despite a lack of response from employers and all the efforts of the Jobcentre and subcontractor I was with for two years (who, by the way, were a waste of time and couldn’t tell me anything I didn’t already know).
      2.I know perfectly well where to search for jobs.
      3.I have a brilliant CV.
      4.I’ve had plenty of interview technique help.
      Despite all this I cannot get a job. I have been studying IT at home all the time I’ve been out of work in order to increase my employability, and am studying towards ASP.NET, which is in demand with employers.
      My problem is this; employers WILL NOT take people on without experience, and they WILL NOT take on volunteers, or even consider you for a work trial to let you gain the experience.
      I’ve only just gained a voluntary role to help a tuition centre with their computers, and am determined to be the best I can to help them and gain experience in return.
      So, now tell me, who’s fault is it I can’t get work?
      This is my answer to the problem.
      Force employers to take on volunteers to let them gain experience, and, unlike the idea of the work trial which states you must do over 30hrs for one month, leave it to the employer and the volunteer to decide on the amount of time given, and how long it will last. Also, make sure the jobcentre will cover all expenses, like travel.

  • ionracas

    im one of the long term unemployed i have just come off the flexible new deal programme which was a complete waste of time, i never got my 4 wk placement as promised, ive been working full time voluntary for the past year so i am earning my benefit an not being labelled a scrounger.

    im really not looking forward to the work programme, i dont think it will work, it was trialed in australia and it never worked there. what can you do in 4 weeks, sometimes takes you a month to get used to the routinue, or learn new software etc, and paying coming to keep you on smells of blackmail to me.

  • http://www.louthjobs.co.uk Louth Jobs

    It won’t work because the program is designed by people who have absolutely no experience, or idea of what it is like to be unemployed. There is also this culture that has been developed to reward people for not working and not seeking work. At the same time, this government has raised the retirement age where, especially for women, there was a fantastic opportunity to trade unemployment benefits for pensions. So, an older worker taking retirement could create a job opportunity for an unemployed younger person. Ever since the introduction of the old Labour Market programs in the ’80′s the last people anybody has considered are the unemployed. Once again, this latest “scheme” has been imposed upon the unemployed rather than embraced by them. That is because nobody has bothered to ask them!

    • Traceyhixell

      I can hear your frustration and you make some valid points, I would ask the question then as to what you would do differently? It is easy for many of us to judge and shout about what we don’t like, how would you hear the voices of people and then merge the whole range of opinions and experiences together to form something that can be used to make changes?

  • Grahame1969

    I am very sceptical  that this new government Work programme scheme will result in creating job oppurtunties in the long term. Like many work placement schemes of the paat a means of providing cheap labour for companies who sign up for   the scheme with no real prospects of actually solving long term unemployment.
    If jobs are available for people with the appropriate skills to do them companies could set them on  a trial basis to assess their suitability then pay the going rate for that job.Many Employers actually do this when hiring on new employees.

  • Ivy’s dad

    I have a meeting booked by the JCP to speak to an adviser about going onto the Work Programme. So far in my almost 2 years of unemployment they have referred me to three different providers, all a waste of time. “Your CV is great, what you are doing to search is great, keep it up…goodbye.” I have 15 years experience and expertise in my field but at 55 am continually rejected at first or second interview stage (if I even get that far) because ”others have more relevant experience” apparently. If I apply for any jobs outside my field I either get ignored or rejected, even for unskilled work.
    So what is the Work Programme going to do for me? If they find me an unskilled job, I’m only going to stay until find something in my field and they won’t get their bounty! If I and the collected efforts of a number of agencies to get me into jobs has so far failed, what will these guys achieve?
    The millions that are being spent on these contracts would be better invested in job creation so there are real long term vacancies created for job seekers to fill, not on contractors trying to shoe horn me into the wrong job.

    • Anonymous

      The work programme does not exist, i joined it a few weeks ago its a farce, they didnt know what they were doing. did some induction going over building health and safety and other blah blah, told to report back in 2 weeks to show i had applied for 3 jobs, which i do every day. Then i went back they told me they didnt know what they were supposed to do, and they will call me when they know! its a joke.
       They cant make you work, because of the h&s rules say they must supply the clothes/tools they have no money for these. they have no one qualified to oversee any work… So whats the point? i mean really? the building i went to had things on the wall like “clean your teeth every day!” and “remember to change your socks” are they kidding me?????

       its all a big joke a waste of paper and its over before its even begun.

    • John

      What you said it true

  • Pl Knight

    In the current climate I’m not sure that anyone can gaurantee being in continual employment for 104 weeks. The Prime contractors are going out on a limb with this contract.
    There will be a rush to re-negotiate T&C’s at the end of the first year 

  • Phe

    As someone who has worked in education for 16 years and was made redundant due to colleges merging to remain financially viable I can’t see how the new work programme will work.

    Anywhere outside the SE is disproportionately affected by public sector cuts as the public sector was a major employer (60%+ of the workforce).  If the plan is to bus the unemployed to remote areas with skills shortages, into part-time jobs or minimum wage jobs then it will work to a point.

    What consistently gets overlooked is that there are a lot of well qualified and experienced professionals who were made redundant during the recession and the provision in place doesn’t cater for anyone above basic skills/entry level.

  • Grandad

    I have been out of regular employment for about two years. As with other older people that have commented here, ageism exists and flourishes, despite all the so called preventative laws. I am 63 and I am very thankful that I have all my faculties and am reasonably fit for my age. My big failing is that when I started work back in the early sixties, certification was not a big issue if you showed you were willing and reliable and keen to learn. Therefore, although I have 45 years experience and knowledge of my trade, and can give the top engineers and designers a good run for their money, I am rejected because I do not hold documentation. If under the new scheme employers were to take me on to see what I can do, would they really be committed if I have less than the two years left before retirement? Like others commenting here I have been passed around the various government approved ‘Back to work agencies’. I have had my CV reviewed, restructured, and whatever (I hardly recognised myself in them!), so many times. Each subsequent ‘Advisor’ thought the  previous version was inadequate.
    To sum up, I have not been helped in the slightest before and the new scheme appears to be catering for the much younger candidates.
    While I am watching all my savings disappear, the prospect of losing my house and being destitute in the future, DO I REALLY HAVE A CHANCE? 

    • Tony Gelt

      I’m almost 56 and I recognise and concure fully with this comment. I have worked for the last 20 years in IT and for all those years there were not real certifications as such you just learnt your trade as you went along within the industry which was fast moving forward anyway. I have worked with all the Microsoft operating systems since the early Dos 3.0 through to Windows 7, plus many other major packages but alas don’t have any formal qualifications in these areas because there wasn’t any…..I simply have 20 years experience in just about every piece of hardward/software release within the PC market, but none of that matters to recruitment agents they only push forward people with a certificates even though it only takes a couple of weeks cramming to get them. (no real experience though) Why don’t I get the certificates…I hear you ask???  2 main reasons, I can’t afford to take the courses at £1000 a shot. Secondly why the hell should I be forced to take a course to learn what I already know just to line Microsoft’s already bulging pocket’s (who incedently jumped ot the training band wagon because it’s a good money  spinner) and to fund lazy cash incentive recruitment agancies who find it easier to place people with bits of paper that dosen’t really qualify you to do the job.
       
      What ever happened to the days where you found a job in the locals, applied, went for the interview and got the job on merit. 

  • Gary Hopkins

    I really hope it works! After 2 years of job seeking, and 800 applications, 790 got no replies! I have lots of good knowledge and experience as a Training Manager, but at 55, little real chance of finding work.The JCP have not helped with anything.I have just reached the 6 month period at the JCP and as they are not interested other than to get me off their books, I will soon be moving into a cardboard box.Yes I have tried all the recommended solutions, they don’t work.I have paid a fortune to re-train, it didn’t work because I ran out of money and the self employed option I was following was a scam by a certain driving school of a colour I won’t mention.
    Unless Father Christmas and the Tooth Fairy are real……..I don’t see how anyone can find me a job when there are none out there..

  • halfabee

    I am registered
    with 30 + agency for full time employment or contract work.

    I have been
    out of work for 3 years initial due to the NHS failing to treat my sleep apnoea.
    The first septum operation deviated my septum worse than it was! Six months
    later I had a second septum operation which corrected my deviated septum. My
    septum was corrected last August hence it took 2 years before I could accept a
    CPAP machine. Up to then I was having 3 1 hour sleeps during the day and then
    going to bed at 10pm for the last 6 months I staid awake all days most of the
    time. Adjustments had to be made to the CPAP machine to keep me sleeping. It
    was very experimental.

    The fact I
    was fired from my previous 2 jobs due to falling asleep at my desk or in
    meetings does not help.

    Now my CV
    does not show I have been out of work for 3 years.

    My CV only
    holds the last 10 years of my working life. With a lie to account for the last
    3 years

    My CV does
    not show my age all my qualifications are undated

    There is no
    way anybody can tell my age and when the agency request my age for
    “unrelated employment issues” I always reduce my age by 15 years yes
    I am 58.

    And the two
    jobs I was fired from do not exist on my CV

    But in the
    last 6 months I have not had a single interview.

    Hence I conclude
    there is not the work out there

    How is this
    new back to work scheme going to work then

  • CARVERSAINT.55

    Until I was forty six I, had never been out of work in my life now in my fifties I have found it impossible to obtain work applying for a spectrum of different occupations some I would have been compatible with many I was not. Each and everyone has a responsibility to work and make your contribution to society and the community life does not owe you a job but it does owe you a living. I am long term unemployed and have made hundreds of applications via phone/e-mail/phone to obtain a post and like so many other persons on this forum have been interviewed to no success at fifty five I am burnt out with it all, the posts that come up with a sustainable salary have several hundred people applying for them so you get knocked out on competitiveness of course age also comes into it.

    You then look at alternative work low paid demeaning work with no prospects let alone a living, in bygone days you would take these jobs feeling assured at some point a better paid position would come along, now thats not the case you are stuck with it for perhaps years we now have the concept that everyone as an alternative to this, will work in the volunteering sector and work for nothing at considerable expense and hardship to ones self this is for the dignity of saying you are employed good for the character! when I met my local M.P and discussed these issues with him he commented if a job pays a pound more than benefit you should be made to take the job wrong! you do not expect whilst on benefits to have a quality of life as the state is keeping you but by going out to work you should by all accounts be able to pay your way with domestic bills but also have a quality of life from this, when Cameron says he will make work pay he does not mean he will improve living standards no! what he means he will strip the benefits system so that one will have no other option but to work for nothing to survive of course excluding the chosen few as always.

    I totally agree with comments made on this forum about the work programme I have now been with two providers taken additional qualifications and gained to my credit certification for various trades, but at the end of the day I have still ended up unemployed.
    The reality of the real situation is there is no manufacturing base here and we are not producing anything (or very little) we have no power industry or textile based industry the banks are funding everything and as a result they are calling the shots it will take years to improve if it ever does employers are not allowed to discriminate on age and of course we all know they find another way around it once you are a mature person they don’t want you. to conclude my heart goes out to all those persons whom are single in the south mortgages are tight you can’t afford houses of flats as a tenant why? because the wages are so low and have not kept pace with the cost of living and please remember anyone who argues this we now have the most expensive petrol in the world of which the government is responsible in taxation partly we have one of most expensive transport networks in Europe all of which is required to obtain work as there is no work in the community one must be prepared to travel to neighbouring districts which must reflect in the wage one earns.

    England is now run by the chosen few for the chosen few if you have assets and wealth dispite everything its still one of the best places in the world you can live, but if you are on the lower runs of the ladder look out! big issues and problems coming your way fast
    and to all those unemployed how many times have you heard persons comment if I, were unemployed I would do this,that,anything but of course they are refering they have been or if they were, they never are!

  • The great unwashed

    At a mere 44 I am a baby compared with some who have commented here, however, am coming up to 3 years unemployed from the IT industry.  As that industry is so fast paced, a year year gap makes my skills antiquated and therefore unemployable in that field. Training in current technologies would help me, yet after asking numerous times for funding have had none.  A month ago I was handed over to the new work programme.  So far nothing has happened, I have contacted then yet they have not got back to me to arrange even for my initial meeting with them.  My  first impression is understnadably that they are pretty ineffective.  Also if all they want to do is get me in to any unskilled job they can to get me off theier books, I am glad they seem incapable of even that!

    • The Lion

      Check your spelling! e.g. understandably, their. What’s your C.V. like I wonder?
      Just a thought.  Anyway, this government are so incompetent they should be having to seek a minimum wage position.

      • Pot

        This government IS…………..

    • Tonygelt

      Right on bro…..I’m in exactly the same situation….hardware engineer since 1990. My last company went bust, now been out of work since 2007 3 years away from IT is no good for your employabillity. Mind you the constant changes were getting to me as I got older (56). As for the Work Programme….it’s just an elasto-plast to heal a severed leg which will hurt far more peole than it will ever help. I wonder if I could get a job in McDonalds……mind you I’ve not seen anyone my age working there. and they say it’s illegle to discriminte against age……..more bullshit. 

  • Writeto Me

    My concern is that the old, the disabled and those without certification or experience will be put on the back burner as the lions share of the effort will be spent on those already with a high chance of success. The easy placements will get the effort and those who most need the effort will suffer as a result.

  • P Train0nz

    Hello!
    Just wondering about selection processes;
    One existing government contractor has recently replaced ,”working links”.
    How does the new scheme relate to apprenticeship and the under 24′s?

    Paul

  • CARVERSAINT.55

    Being long term unemployed these providers must invest financially in people, this means in travel costs, overnight costs, if this is required, and also assistance in relocation expenses if an individual is prepared to work in another area even at some point if this expense has to be paid back. I have looked into various health and safety qualifications and also licencing this requires funding and we are not talking a small amount of money we are talking a considerable amount. It is wrong that to obtain work you have to pay out money? has everyone now forgotten the concept of going out to work is to pay your way in life and be self sufficient and stand on your feet not to have to pay for the privilege of working. When one has been long term unemployed you go into meltdown, this is to say your savings go and other financial securities disappear leaving one with a hand to mouth existence. Bygone years this was never the issue with employment within communities
    involving no travel costs also all of this new legislation being put into place costs money, twenty five pounds here, three hundred and fifty there and so on another stealth tax.

    The last time I, was with a provider I found two excellent work placement facilities in surrounding areas with in one case a promising future but because no guarantee was made as to a hundred per cent a full time post they would not fund the expenses so I lost out on two very good opportunities. If this situation commences again when I start with the new welfare reform scheme on the 4 July 2011 with the new sub-contract provider
    I will sign off, it will mean I, will lose everything including my current tenancy accommodation. Being a former civil servant I, have always stated there is no excuse to turn to crime/fraud/ or black market labour, but I, now take back those comments hardship/survival does make persons do things out of character, you must lead by example when you see how these politicians carry on it leaves everyone disillusioned and frustrated and sets no example.

  • Ecap17

    No, it won’t work.  Jobseekers referred to The Work Programme are beginning to realise that they do have have to fill-in the provider’s Information Disclosure form, this gives the provider permission to share the jobseeker’s details with third-parties.

    The DWP Provider Guidance – Chapter 5 Annex clearly states consent is voluntary, and if already given may be withdrawn.  And, more importnatly, refusal to fill-in the form will NOT affect any benefits the jobsekeer is receiving.

    As you can see, without thie jobseeker’s consent to information sharing providers will not be able to make any money.  We, the unemployed, are going to scupper it.     

  • Numan9876

    Accepting a part-time job, which is a high proportion of jobs available, means paying to work, as you have to pay travel expenses etc. and your net income is no greater than when on full JSA.

    • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AELXYR6ZQ7YMQIFLSSVO57IAUM William

      Excellent point!  My Job Centre were not happy when I told them I was changing my job search agreement.  Why;  Because I am already looking for work at the minimum rate (less than a third of my recommended salary in IT), but also had it down I was willing to travel up to 50 miles to get to take up a position.  The way train/bus fares are constantly rising, I just don’t have any choice if I accept wages at minimum rate.

  • Yjohnson100

    The programme won’t work (as all other similar previous programmes haven’t). The young unemployed have been taught the wrong skills by being encouraged onto ‘noddy’ courses or into careers for which there arn’t any jobs and are being exploited with ‘free’ or casual working etc. The long term unemployed are unemployable, as they are seen to have lost the work ethic. The older yet very skilled unemployed are discriminated against on age grounds. On top of all this there are far to many foreigners working in the UK.

    Most unemployed people are doing what they can to re-skill etc (at a time when they have little money to do so) but the simple fact of the matter is that there are not enough jobs. All the re-training and CV re-writing in the world won’t improve this situation. The government would be far better spending the  money on stimulating the economy. You have to be a fool not to see this. 

    What we need is REAL proactive government that properly plans for the future, not one which is reactive or which panders to the whims of employers and the markets. We need to tax the better off much more heavily than we do and use this money to stimulate business. Only in this way will we restore confidence and encourage all that money stashed away in accounts (for fear of losing it) to be re-invested in the economy. In other words we should be saying invest it or loose it in tax. In addition corporation tax should be removed (to stimulate growth) and all tax should be based on personal earnings. 

    We urgently need real change in the UK if we are to avoid societal collapse and meltdown. 
    In particular our out-dated and discredited political systems and our continued obsession with class division needs wholesale reform.

    We can no longer sustain governments, composed eof the privelaged, that do not  represent us  or in which we have no faith or belief. 

    I would hate to see a revolution in the UK, but it is a real long term possibility if things are allowed to continue in this way.

    We talk about human rights a lot these days. Whlist  clearly we are not all of the same ability, we ALL have a RIGHT to work and to enjoy a reasonable standard of living.  

  • Tonymay

    I worked for 20 years for private training companies and we all worked hard to help people into work. People appreciated our help and use of our facilities as opposed to the Job Centres who are useless.I have worked on ALL the various Govt schemes that successive Govts have introduced and then re-named and introduced again and again..None have really worked because jobs paying a reasonable amount are so hard to get. The tv programme ” Fairy Jobmother ” magically produces jobs for everyone who appears on it as an inducement to the unemployed that  there ARE
    jobs there just waiting for them. The jobs market has contracted  – as we all know – because private companies are NOT creating new jobs and the public sector is under attack. On top of that foreign workers have been encouraged into the Country. The Work Programme is not really much of a different scheme except that training providers will have to wait 2 years for their money. But there appears to be less help on offer for the job hunters with money being so tight. I know I do not paint a happy picture but it is essential to keep on trying but until a scheme of training and job creation is introduced it is just ” p-ssing in the wind ” and a waste of taxpayers money.

  • annoyed

    No it will be a complete waste of time and money. I have recently been referred to this ‘Work Programme’. It states on the letter that the minimum service they offer will be ‘initial contact within two days of being referred by the job centre and an interview within 14 days’, it took them 5 weeks to contact me and then they never sent me a confirmation letter, leaving me clueless to where the place of my appointment even was! (and it ended up being in the middle of nowhere.) So it has been a substandard service before I’ve even seen anyone, and they’re supposed to be the ones helping me find a job? It’s ridiculous! And even then the job centre say “Oh it’s nothing to do with us, we can’t help you” It is all a demeaning vicious cycle.

  • Sdbookeep6

    As usual. Someone using the ‘taxpayers are paying for it line’ presumably an employee or employer.

    I have noticed that the many of the people commenting on this forum have spent years upon years working in their industry and being paid. I am certain that they would tell you that aside from paying NI, they also had to pay tax too, therefore are these people not entitled to draw an income out of the system - given the fact that they have worked their behind off for years paying into it.  Thus they were former taxpayers too and no one is really paying for them. And you know what even if the taxpayer weren’t so called paying for these people, the government will still come up with an excuse to levy a tax one way or another.

    It never cease to amaze me how people make sweeping generalisations on the unemployed such as they have never worked and paid taxes, they are being stubborn headed and unrealistic by not taking any job that comes along and so forth.

    Go and look over many of the comments that people have written here.  I am sure that you will find that some people still are experiencing difficulty in even finding a job that is very different to theirs and pays much lower their previous form of employment.

    As the old saying goes, you only know what it is like for someone when you have spent some time in their shoes

  • Khodgetts

    Well My experience of flexible new deal was awfull and i cant see the work programme being any better.

    Sent to A Third Party Provider, who proceeded to rip my cv off in great chunks infact they just photocopied it. They Suggested at one point that I should leave my Degree in computing off.

    They failed to cope with me and my disability providing me with things in small print despite me asking them repeatedly foor this.

    They Stopped me from doing my CPD, And as a direct result I lost my cisco certification and 200 hours plus worth of other cpd.

    No courses were offered accept for the  cv course. Im now less likely to  get a job than I was before I was sent to them

  • WP Adviser

    This will be my one and only comment
    (unless I change my mind!) as someone who works on the Work Programme
    as an Adviser and I will try to condense my points into bullets to
    address a number of points. Before I start I would add that as
    someone who has worked with thousands of the long term unemployed
    this discussion is not because I don’t understand your plight. I
    don’t expect many people to agree with what I say, I don’t expect
    people to like what I’m saying. This is not meant to be an attack on
    people if you feel offended can it mean that I’ve hit a little too
    close to the heart? This is simply my view of it:1 Despite
    what many people may say or believe age is not as big a factor in
    finding work as most think. When asked whether age is the reason why
    people are out of work I get an equal number of people in all groups
    who believe this is the case teens, 20′s, 30′s, 40′s, 50′s, 60′s all
    say it is the reason they are out of work. What I would say is
    that people who believe their age is the reason they are out of work
    are much more likely to not find work. For those who are in the
    older age groups who feel it is their age that holds them back look
    at the stats for those 18-24 out of work and look at those for
    graduates then look at those for those in other age groups and
    re-evaluate. You’ve never seen anyone your age working in a
    particular company, do you know of anyone who has applied for that
    company in your age bracket? Please note age laws were brought in to
    protect younger age groups because they, and not the older age
    groups, were being discriminated against. For those in younger age
    groups look at what experience you have, if you don’t have enough
    volunteer and if your answer to this is “Why should I work for
    nothing?” then think “Why would an employer employ me?”

    2 As someone who used to work in
    Housing and Council Tax Benefit, and I know this is a generalisation,
    99% of people are better off financially in work. Get a
    calculation done for what you would receive if you worked 16/30/40
    hours at minimum wage. Most people receive some help with rent or
    council tax at 16 hours. Many people who work 16 or 30 hours can
    receive Working Tax Credits which make a big difference to your
    income. Also the Tax Allowances have greatly increased (the amount
    you have to earn before paying tax) possibly the best thing to come
    out of the Coalition. If you start a job which will last for over 5
    weeks, is over 16 hours a week and you have been out of work for 26
    weeks or more without any gaps you should get an extra four weeks
    “run-on” of Housing and Council Tax Benefit. Some will also get a
    jobgrant as well. Those who are least likely to be better off are
    those who have the interest on their mortgage paid through receiving
    JSA. If you’ve had a calculation and you are only say £10 or £20
    better off and this means you aren’t looking at these hours then
    people will question how much you really want that job. If you aren’t
    better off and this is stopping you from applying for jobs think is
    this the only reason I want to work?

    3 Following on from this anyone who
    feels that the reason they are out of work is due to an immigrant
    workforce this rings major alarm bells with an adviser. Apart from
    being a racist/xenophobic/ignorant stand point, think about this
    logically. Firstly the sector of society most likely to be in
    employment is White British and by quite a large stretch to the
    point where certain employers, despite it being illegal ask
    specifically for White British employees from recruitment agencies.
    Apart from racism/xenophobia this can logically be due to
    communication issues; if your English is better than anothers you
    have a better chance of being employed. For those who say that
    Foreigners are willing to work for cheaper wages and longer hours I
    have one question: “Why aren’t you?” Minimum Wage at £6.08 an
    hour is one of the highest in the world if you aren’t prepared to
    work at this wage after more than a year out of work then you have no
    right to blame those who are willing to work for this. We have
    similar things where I work, people complain about foreigners lining
    up outside of recruitment agencies. If you think this is how they are
    finding work then why aren’t you doing it? If its because of short
    term contracts and issues with signing on and off then again people
    have to ask do you really want work? Part time, temporary and work
    through recruitment agencies leads to more permanent contracts by
    doing this work you show you are more willing to work. I’ve had
    eleven jobs, ten were temporary and this one is permanent they all
    gave me extra skills, extra things on my CV and led onto different
    work and better pay. Also I see a lot of people say the work offered
    is unsuitable, fair enough you have a medical condition which
    prevents you from doing certain kinds of work, otherwise is it
    unsuitable or would you rather not do it? Think of some roles as a
    stepping stone to other roles. You want Admin work, do eight months
    filing and (speaking from experience) you are more likely to get an
    admin role. Yes its boring but its worth it.

    4 Nowadays certain professions require
    certain
    certificates/qualifications/cards etc. If you don’t have these you
    won’t get the job. So you may feel this is a money making scam, it
    may be unfair because you know how to drive a fork lift, you’ve
    worked in security or as a labourer before or you have extensive IT
    experience. To be blunt, so what? If that’s what they need that’s
    what they need. You can moan about it or can go pay for it and start
    work again. If you can’t pay for it then look at other kinds of work
    so you can then pay for it. You wouldn’t expect to get a driving job
    if you don’t have a driving license. I know its brutal but you aren’t
    going to change this so look for other kinds of work. To go on a
    tangent about the many IT related jobseekers, you can use a computer,
    so what? I worked in IT five years ago and I wouldn’t dream of
    applying for an IT role now, there are people with higher skills,
    better qualifications and more recent experience. Its a pipe dream
    apply for another job earn money pay for qualifications and network
    to find a basic IT role. This goes for work in general if haven’t
    found what you want to do then look at other work. Its a cliché but
    its easier to find work when you are in work. Aim to find work, any
    work, then aim a little higher once you’ve achieved this. Any work is
    better than having to sign on surely, based on the comments here
    about the Work Programme, JCP etc.

    5
    Finding a job is hard, very hard. But there are never, I repeat
    never, any points when there are no jobs. So there aren’t loads of
    jobs, are you going to give up? Again if there aren’t jobs in your
    sector think of transferable skills you have, go get experience in
    another sector, or do a course (many are free when on benefits e.g.
    certain areas CSCS Cards, Digital Tachograph Cards, English, Maths,
    Basic IT, Food Hygiene, Care Courses etc.). If your reasoning is I’ve
    worked all my life why should I change then the obvious answer is if
    your out work then you haven’t worked all your life. It may be harder
    to find work now but that doesn’t mean you can hide behind easy
    excuses. Contact employers direct because 70% of jobs are not
    advertised. Do things which make you stand out. When I ask clients
    what they do to find work the most common answers are look at the job
    points, look in the paper, ask family and friends and look on the
    internet. If this is not working then, if you want work, do more.
    Contact employers direct, ring them, speak to managers, do work
    trials, send speculative letters, drop in CV’s etc. This is
    how I get most people jobs. I
    also get a common response of I applied for this job but never heard
    back. If they don’t contact you, contact them.
    Its worth doing this in general to pick yourself out of the crowd,
    ring everyone you apply with to make yourself stand out. Not all will
    give you an answer but some will which gives you ideas for what you
    need to change. Knowledge is Power.

    6 And
    I know this brutal again but is it the world’s fault or is it yours.
    You had lots of interviews but never got a job, your CV is good (you
    had what they were looking for) but you didn’t come across well. You
    have no responses to your CV, your CV needs improving or lacks
    experience or skills, or you are going for the wrong jobs. There are
    logical solutions to this. You’ve been on many Welfare to Work
    schemes and hated every one and not participated because you feel you
    know what you’re doing. Is it me or is this straightforward? There
    are logical problem solving resolutions you can take. If what you are
    doing isn’t working you need to change if you honestly want work. OK
    you’re highly intelligent, you’re educated, you have extensive
    experience, you know how to jobsearch, then logically why are you out
    of work? Its difficult to admit but there must be something more you
    can do or something you’re doing wrong/can change. Is it your
    attitude?Your destiny is in your hands not that of the adviser you
    see. If I have someone who has every excuse under the sun then it
    makes it very difficult for me to get them into work. If I see a role
    going then do I offer it to the person who is motivated or the person
    who blames everyone else for their own situation. Its a no brainer.
    Act the victim and you will be the victim, how long is up
    to you, not anyone else.

    7
    Lack of transport. Trains, buses, wheels to work schemes or the
    option of moving. You can’t find work in your area, then move. OK you
    can’t move for whatever reason, how long do you need to be out of
    work to consider this? Its your life, if you want to bore people for
    the next ten years saying there is no manufacturing work in your area
    that’s up to you. That’s because times have changed and will continue
    to do so. Move with them or be left behind.

    8
    It’s not fair. OK you feel its not fair that this is
    happening. What are your
    choices? Attend the Work Programme get the help and advice of people
    who are trained and employed to get people into work or don’t. If you
    don’t you will lose your Jobseekers Allowance. Everyone knows this,
    its up to you what you choose to do, so don’t blame your adviser.
    Welfare to Work Programme’s are only likely to get stricter and some
    people will end up working for their JSA for six months or more. Can
    you complain? Yes. Will the general public sympathise? No. That’s
    because those who work pay for your benefits. This means they pay for
    you to live. They therefore expect people who don’t put the effort in
    to not receive the benefits of our welfare state. For those who don’t
    think our welfare state is generous do some research into other
    countries welfare states. Unfortunately there are obvious
    consequences if you bite the hand that feeds. If I could give anyone
    on benefits one lasting piece of advice it would be this: find any
    way to get off benefits now, it will only get harder and stricter. It
    might sound harsh but you have been warned.

    9 A
    personal note. I’ve been quite
    brutally honest and maybe a little insulting to many in this
    rhetoric. This is probably the most difficult yet most effective part
    of my job. This is why very few people would enjoy the job of an
    adviser, you have to tell people where they are going wrong and most
    people’s reaction is to put the defenses up and count on any number
    of excuses to ignore their own responsibility. An effective adviser
    is involved in conflict every day. With the long term unemployed
    something has to change in order for them to find work. They are
    referred to the Work Programme because what they have done is not
    working. Advisers are paid to help people find work, if you are
    looking for work then they will only be on your side. Most advisers I
    know took on their role to help people and that is where they get the
    most job satisfaction on the whole. Seeing people progress is
    something which makes advisers get up in the morning. The average day
    involves dealing with an awful lot of negativity, resentment or
    apathy. As an adviser people will blame you day in day out. It will
    be your fault they didn’t attend appointments. It will be your fault
    they were sanctioned because they haven’t applied for anything in
    three months. They will swear at you. They will threaten you. You
    will solve problems for them and get no gratitude or appreciation.
    You can deal with this. You are a strong minded individual and you
    will know deep down that you are making a difference whatever anyone
    says. When that one person a month says thank you for whatever you
    have done that day, whether it be amend a CV, giving interview
    feedback, giving them the brutal truth or giving them a confidence
    boost it will the means by which you can keep going for the next
    month or so. I would therefore say to anyone on the Work Programme
    have a frank discussion with your adviser, think about where they are
    coming from and why they work in this sector. If they can help you
    (I promise you) they will.

    10
    I’m expecting a large amount of backlash for what I’ve said. I hope
    I’ve been brutally honest. I don’t expect people to like what I’ve
    said, I’d rather it provoked discussion or a change of heart. Thank
    you for taking the time to read this information,
    which I will admit got a little out of hand in terms of word count.

    • Smithbobby34

       just  another brainwashed numpty  who  has  not  got  a clue  whats  going  on as  long as  you  are  taking  a wage home  who  gives  a  damn about  unemployed if  you  really  believe   the  crap your bosses  tell  you  then god  help  us  all   you  try  living on  benefits for  a  couple  of  months  then   come  back  and  tell  us  how  you  feel   dont   sit  in an  office  with   your   shirt and  tie  job  and  dictate  to  us

  • elpresidente

    The law protects you from forced labour – forcing you to work under
    the threat of punishment that you have not agreed to accept.So my advice is..DO NOT sign any contract when JCP has referred you to your training provider(working links..Triage etc) Dont feed the beast..Starve it to death with non compliance

  • sarah

    What a joke! Yes, blame the jobseekers for not getting work when the simple fact is there aren’t enough jobs to go around and to actually live off the few that are around! And some areas are worse than others.

    I was on the Flexible new Deal (my provider was Pertemps) just before it ended and was told all the time by the advisor there that there were no jobs in my area and it was going to get worse over the next few years, and that is them saying it!

    The Work Programme is a joke and I hope it doesn’t last because from all I have heard from people who have been on it is how unhelpful it is and a waste of time, all the providers care about is making money from you, the fact if you get a job off your own back and they STILL keep in contact with you is disgusting, but that is because they can make money from you. I have also heard that if you leave the work programme for reasons of a job and for some reason the job didnt work out (for example through redundancy) when you sign back on, if it is within 2 years of your signing off -you will be put straight back onto the work programme- how is that right? You could be working for over a year or more and yet still end up back on the work programme! Why punish people who have worked recently when it is supposed to be the long term unemployed? It is madness!

    As for moving to where the jobs are, can someone tell me when you are receiving JSA and no other benefit, how can you move when you don’ t have the money for the first months rent and bond in advance???

  • Cherryredred

    Hi I am due to go on to this workprogramme next week and am dreading It I am a proper jobseeker and seeked even harder before my jsa interview thursday. Can anyone tell me how mayb days a week I have to attend this please?
    AJ

  • Jabawooki

    I am due to go on the work programme in March. What happens if I sign off the dole for a week then sign back on? Does that mean I can have another year with the jobcentre before being forced onto the work programme? 

  • Cherryredred

    I am due at the jobcentre on Monday and I know It Is to start the work programme for 2 years. Noone will tell me anything up Eltham Jobcentre before hand. I know this Is for a reason hmm. I dont know If I have to attend everyday allday or once a week or once a fortnight and how long In the day Im there. I have attended a 13 week course and an 8 week one before and still unemployed I found I was helping others with searching while the staff was not exactly Interested. Any Information about the Time and how I attend Is appreciated.
    Thanks

  • Jenniferhypolite

    As a former employment trainer who has worked for several welfare to work providers I don’t think the work program works. I have worked for organisations that don’t have computers or newspapers for clients to job search. I have heard clients complain about the amount of paperwork they have to complete so the provider can be paid. Many clients are promised jobs and training that never materialize and are left feeling frustrated. Tax payers money is being wasted and job seekers are let down.

  • Pete

    This is not a good idea.. Been forced to take aself employed job which i started on the 13th feb told them on the 15th that it wasnt for me got told i had to take the job or they would stop my dole ,so signed of the dole only to be told yesterday i am not needed in the job no more as they cant afford all the people they have so now that means ive been sacked as i was self employed for 2 weeks :( so what happens now to my jobseekers claim not looking forward to hearing i wont get any money for 6 weeks .

  • BVC

    The Work Programme has been nothing but an obstruction to my job search. Since they edited my original CV, I did not get a single interview. Apart from that, a lot of mistakes have been made in my CV and some of my key skills and qualifications completely deleted and invented. On one occasion it was put on my CV that I worked in the bar (in the catering), while I made it clear to them that I am a fully qualified barrister (and called to the Bar). Say no more.

  • Stuart MacKenzie

    It is a farce. I was put on the work programme last year, though I only had two initial interviews before I signed off from benefits altogether and entered full time education. Just in the last month however, my former work placement advisor has started sending me appointment dates for work placement interviews. I sent them a letter explaining to them that I was no longer claiming benefits, that I was a full time student and that for this reason I would not be attending any appointments they arranged for me me, since I have to attend college classes in order to qualify for my bursary. They responded by sending me two new appointment dates, which again clash with classes. It just goes to show how farcical the system is when they are now harassing people who aren’t even claiming benefits.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_46M7SXKOAKHFGWZLCBC3F5KRQU William

    I have been attending Triage Welfare to Work program in Stirling for about 4 month, and had to put them straight on a few things.  Firstly they tried stopping clients from taking a smoke break, which they could not find an answer to when I told them “try and stop me”.  Then there was the condition they tried applying that you must apply for at least 4 jobs or you don’t get your travel expenses reimbursed.  The Jobcentre said they cannot do that, but they tried, however I got this down to 3 jobs.  I am stiill going to get this abolished, as sometimes there  just isn’t any jobs to apply for.  

    This brings me to another fault Triage have, where if you phone up an advertised job and find that the vacancy is already filled or no longer available.  They tell you to apply for it anyway!  Now why is that?  It’s because part of the contract they have with the Jobcentre stipulates that they must get so many people into work, so they push and push you into anything.  Also, why should Triage get paid if you find a job under your own merit?

    Triage needs to do themselves a favour and look up a thing called Health & Safety at Work.  It’s on the Jobcentre website if they need to know where they can view it.  It clearly states that you should take a break from a computer screen every 50-60 minutes, but Triage expect people to sit at a PC for up to 2 and a half hours.

    My next appointment with Triage is on 23/04/2012, and I am looking forward to it because I will have qualified for and have my bus pass at 60 years of age.  Now how will they be able to implement their policy of apply for 3 jobs or no bus fares when I won’t be claiming any!

  • Anonymous

    It pretty much a farce. At Seetec they still trying to claim that the entire programme is mandatory and non compliance will be punished and this is despite the secretary of state stating on TV that they have remove all punishment from the course, two weeks of pointing this out to them and they have yet to change their tune. The job centre is just as bad. 

    They also suppose to offer help to set up business, according to the job centre, yet they still have not set up the programme or hired in the specialist people to enable this, even through they won the contract 3 months ago.

    The job centre said they would have full access to my records, so I would not have spend a couple of hours going through my history, I spent a couple of hours talking to them about my history and that I wanted help to go into self employment, also help with speech and presentation skill, they have force me to go on a “general” skills for nine weeks, which they still have not given me a start date for, they been saying it will start in four weeks time 2 weeks ago. Hopefully it will never start. 

    An then their outdated computers, I can job search pretty fast and even send out few speculative letters to companies, I manage 20 or thirty in afternoon on my home computer, how they got there system set up, the fact that they are still using IE7, they disabled the right click on the mouse, the browser is just set up wrong, I have to type in passwords every five minutes,  means that with an hour I virtually given up (this coming from one who can spend all day at a computer ) and I am ready to throw the computer through the window (should make a pretty good noise from 15 stories high building), even their on site tech person chooses to use his own Laptop and the company in the offices down stairs internet connection to keep himself sane at the site, if there own IT staff refuse to use there set up then why should I or other clients be force to use it. 

    An then there the fact that the job centres sent me to a centre which 2 hours to get to by public transport, costing the government £8:60 return in fairs when they could send me to a centre which takes me 30 minutes to get to and only costs the £2.70 in fares. 

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_AELXYR6ZQ7YMQIFLSSVO57IAUM William

    I have been attending the TRIAGE Welfare to Work Program since November, and so far things have improved slightly.  You are now allowed a break rather than sitting at a PC for up to 2 and a half hours.  This was achieved by my bitterly complaining to the JC.  However, still don’t seem to understand the health and safety at work legislation that no person should be sitting at a computer screen for periods longer than 50 – 60 minutes without a break.

  • suicidal guy had enough

    Im so sick of these work programs they dont work this is the 3rd one im getting sent on and its just a way to fix the unemployment records while making me sit in a room for 8hrs a day looking at the same jobs day in day out oh and not to forget update your c.v every day what a waste of funds when it could go towards training for people to get a real job not just sent to a place they dont want to work in or are going to enjoy that job wasting the employers time and ours
     
    they need to stop paying these companys and put the cash into training then at least people would have the stupid peace of paper to say they can do sumat, well it says so on paper but practical experiance is much better in my opinion gone are the days of a company just giving some one a chance without a c.v full of quals and welcome to the days of lots of depressed unhappy people

  • John

    Bring back job clubs, these were divided into two, Job Club for factory and menial workers and Executive Jobs Club for office workers.  It was there to use the resources.  (resources cost money)

  • Stephen’s Desk

    I’m on a ‘back-to-work’ programme with Interserve- a new name for Best.
    All I do is see them every two weeks,take my ‘job search’ log for them to sign as ‘my tutor’.Then they book me in for another visit in two weeks time.They speak to you as if you are a 10 year old child and ‘invite’ you to find a spare computer to look for jobs-which I have been doing at home for the last three and a half years since being made redundant at 54!
    It seems I am with this lot for two years,even when I eventually secure work-not very impressed with the situation,but with ‘threats’ of stopping JSA if you don’t attend-what can you do?

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